Clemson Can Win the ACC... All They Need Is Spurrier
What could Spurrier bring to Clemson you might ask? Offense....... tons and tons of offense. Clemson definately has the tools to put up huge numbers. I am a huge Gamecocks fan and I still can't figure out how Blake Mitchell threw for for over 2300 yards and 17 touchdowns. He could do the same thing for Will Proctor. The only difference is Clemson has a great running back which will further open up the passing game.
We all know the head controls everyhting. Wouldn't you want the head of your team to have a brilliant mind. Yes! Spurrier even led Duke to the 1989 ACC Championship! I'm sure he can do the same for Clemson.
A message to Tommy Bowden: retire and become the most succesful high school football coach in the country. Your talents better suit you for that job.
posted by Anonymous at 12:01 AM
35 Comments:
Dude you are off your rocker!!! TB can't compete with Florida State and Miami??? Please. Guess since you live in the Coot world you failed to relize that Clemson and TB have beaten Florida St 2 of the last 3 years and beat Miami at Miami two years ago and came within inches of beating them in Clemson. Clemson would never want SOS in that program. Only the cellerdwellars are that desperate for a winner. Least you not forget your opinion of him only 4 years ago when he was wiping his rear end with your jerseys. Clemson could win Championships with SOS, no, we will win championships with TB.
12:30 AM
How many times has Bowden beat the Coots now?
Maybe if you would have said to bring Spurrier in as Offensive Coordinator I might would understand that.
8:32 AM
This is a good discussion but you left out one thing. Clemson can win the ACC if they had Spurrier and.......his assistant coaches as well.
Spurrier has some of the best Assistant Coaches in the country without a doubt.
8:38 AM
Clemson needs more than Spurrier, they need a mid-air collision involving Maiam, Floridia State, Va. Tech and USC's team planes. Then they have a shot at doing something special this year.
9:19 AM
HAhaha! Let's see Spurrier is 1-3 versus Clemson. Is this the if you can't beat them join them section? Or perhaps you are Spurrier's agent adn he did figure out "Why not us?" at USC, so he wants an upgrade.
9:33 AM
I was one of the ones calling for Bowdens head a few years back. We def. do not need Spurried now that he has been tainted by the coots. I'm sure the losing tradition has rubbed off on him now.
9:46 AM
Idiot
9:59 AM
If you can't beat them join them right Josh?
one legged long jumper??? Actualy kinda funny. Stupid but funny.
10:08 AM
It's so unbelievably sad what you do to get traffic to your site. You say things like this that has no merit to it just so people will visit. If you plan to be successful at this sort of thing, you need to sound like you're intelligent on the subjects you write about. The only thing I see on this site is some college dropout who dreams he's on ESPN so he spends a few dollars he earned from his hourly job on some website and talks his head off.
You along with your site are pathetic. You make Clemson and USC look bad. But keep up with your little childhood dream and lemme know how it turns out when you're on the street.
10:17 AM
JACK-ASS
11:59 AM
Give the guy a break. Clemson would be better off with Spurrier.
2:00 PM
Wow! Clemson fans are crazy... look at the poll
3:25 PM
bowden is the best coach for clemson since danny ford last cheated...he has at least 2 more years before clemson can afford to buy him out...
3:27 PM
I don't know why i'm giving this the time of day...
Clemson is beating and competing with Miami, FSU, and VT on and off the field with recruiting. Clemson is in the top 4 at worst in ACC teams.
3:49 PM
"retire and become the most successful high school coach in the country"
First, that would belong to John McKissick of Summerville HS and he will never be replaced. There is not a more famous or revered HS coach than him.
Second, Tulane isn't a HS and he had an undefeated season there (nearly impossible to do at any level and usually only done by 1-3 teams every year in the Div 1-A, Div 1-AA, and Div-2 teams).
I'm not crazy enough to say that Bowden owns Spurrier but I will say that over the last year Bowden has outrecruited Spurrier and beat him on the field. When it comes to character and winning with class, I'll take Bowden anyday.
3:52 PM
Amen to that
4:03 PM
Whats that coaches name from Woodruff? Willie Varner? He's a fairly big name.
Tommy is even in the top two coaches in his own family. Let's not eben discuss the ACC.
4:16 PM
sorry...."let's not even discuss the ACC"
can't type
4:17 PM
The great thing about this this site is that thse guys know that they are writing contreversial stuff. They obviously expect mean spirited comments yet they delete none of them. The only difference is that they have their names behind their stuff and other people just trash them anonymously.
5:30 PM
Ok off of work so I guess I can play now.
First off how many Clemson fans were claiming Steve Spurrier had a house on Lake Hartwell and was going to be the next coach at Clemson after the 2003 season?
I will agree that Tommy Bowden is building his program and this year looks to be a possible 10 win campaign for the Tigers. With that said I believe Steve Spurrier is a better coach and I dont think to many people (outside of your average tigernet poster) would choose Tommy of Steve Spurrier.
The man won at Duke......when Clemson was actually an ACC power. Right now Clemson is 4th at best behind FSU, Miami and Va Tech. And based on last year they would be 6th at best considering both BC and Ga Tech had equal or better conference records and beat Clemson head to head. And yes I understand that Clemson has beaten FSU 2 of 3 and Miami in the Orange Bowl and could have won last year. The problem is that you have also lost to Wake Forest 2 of 3 and Duke in 04 after beating Miami. So Bowden has been very good and very bad during games.
Right now Clemson is a better program then South Carolina and I dont see how any Gamecock fan can debate that (even one as big as I am). I feel we are both headed in the right direction and feel our future is just as bright as Clemsons and feel we could win an SEC title by the time Spurrier leaves. He has done it everywhere.....even Duke in 89. Last year he took a team that was in shambles and beat Florida and Tennessee and came with a few points of beating Georgia and Clemson. 7 wins was pretty good last year and we have a very favorable schedule this year that I think will allow us to win 8 games with some breaks. And if anybody can get it done it is Steve Spurrier.
So will Clemson have a better team then USC this year? They should but if you put Spurrier on the Clemson sideline last year and Bowden on the Carolina sideline the game would not have been close IMO.
But I really dont expect any of you taters to look at this in an objective way. For a team you view as far inferior, you guys sure do love to talk about us.
5:34 PM
How can a Clemson fan, especially the rabid ones claim Bowden is a better coach. They were surely wanting him gone a few years back. When he doesn't meet expectations this year they will be screaming for him to leave again.
6:19 PM
We definately don't need Spurrier in Clemson. He is washed out. He has fallen into a losers mentality since going to the Red Skins. Why do you think he picked USC? He knew he couldn't screw yall up anymore than you already were.
6:20 PM
Lou! Steve! Who's next, JoPa?
6:44 PM
It is an unfair comparision to compare Duke in 1989 to South Carolina in 2006. I am not saying that Spurrier will not win an SEC title (though I don't think he will), however you need to realize that the landscape of college football has changed dramatically since 1989.
In 1989, when Spurrier won the ACC, linebackers were bulky. They clogged holes and stopped the run. They were usually not good at covering receivers and were average at dropping into zone coverage. Spurrier realized this. His offense was predicated on putting athletic receivers in the slots. If linebackers tried to cover those receivers man coverage, his quarterbacks had a field day. If they dropped into zone, Spurrier simply taught them how to read the holes and pick defenses apart.
College football changed because of Steve Spurrier. Instead of your run-stopping, hole-clogging linebackers, schools (first in the SEC, then later on in the rest of college football) began to recruit linebackers who resembled what we had previously known as safeties or even receivers. These were guys who could stop the run, but also could cover enough ground quickly enough and were athletic enough that they could match up with speedy receivers.
Compare Spurrier's last few years at Florida as compared to the rest of his regime. The SEC finally caught up to what he was doing offensively. The guy is still an offensive mastermind, however that gap began to close somewhat as defensive coordinators became more saavy as to what he was doing offensively.
As far as comparing coaching styles, I think it is like comparing apples and oranges. I think Bowden is finding his niche now. Even when he took the Clemson job, he was relatively new to being a head coach and had no experience at the major conference level.
Bowden's niche is not like Spurrier. Spurrier can call the offense and be head coach at the same time, and not skip a beat. Bowden is like his Dad. He is more of a manager. He puts good, quality assistants in spots, and they make the machine run. Bowden's staff is much better top to bottom than what Spurrier has assembled at South Carolina in my opinion. I think both are very good coaches, but they simply achieve the end result in much different ways.
2:59 AM
Sure the landscape has changed. As you mentioned the SEC had to change or else Spurrier and florida would have won 8 or 9 titles in a row. But it still does not take away from what he did at Duke even if it was back in 1989. Remember that was when Clemson was a national power and clearly had some of the top players in the country while Spurrier just beat you with his coaching and system. No way should Duke have beaten Clemson nor should they have won the ACC (considering they lost to South Carolina that year) but they did.
On the staff issue I feel that we have a better Head Coach and Offensive coordinator then Clemson (Bowden and Spence compared to Spurrier). Vic Koeing is a better defensive coordinator then Nix IMO. I really dont know much about the other assistant coaches at each school other then Brad Scott and his love for Heinz 57 (its just like a love tap from one of my linebackers). You could make an argument that Clemson is better at a certain position and you could make an argument that USC is better.
Is it going to be easy to win in a title when you play in the toughest division in college football? No. But I dont think very many felt that we would win 7 games this past year, beat Florida and Tennessee and go to a bowl game. Considering that Clemson only won 1 more game then we did and that USC was ranked higher coming into the game I wouldnt say that Clemson isjust far and away superior. Are they better? No question about it. But I dont think its as far as some Clemson fans would have you believe. It would not surprise me at all if Spurrier won 9 games this year and it wouldnt surprise me if we were competing for an SEC title in 3 or 4 years. Heck we had a shot last year.
I could turn around and make the argument that Clemson is not going to compete for the ACC because they have not finished higher then 3rd or 4th since 00. Last year it was a 7-4 regular season with a 4-4 conference record good enough for what 6th? Thats heading in the right direction but no matter how close you say you were from being undefeated....because you were almost as close to not even going to a bowl...a loss is a loss and while Clemson should win 9-10 games this year I still dont see them finishing higher then 4th behind Va Tech, FSU and Miami.
I see USC finishing tied for 3rd in the SEC with either Georgia or Tennessee by the way winning 7-8 games.
8:06 AM
I think both USC and Clemson will win 8 games with a possibility of 9 with a bowl game win. (if they don't have a brawl again this year)
9:09 AM
I agree with Jeff, apples and oranges. They just aren't the same thing. Let's pretend a Spurrier is an orange and Bowden is an apple. And a winning football team is a screwdriver. It works a lot better of you use oranges (Spurrier)
10:44 AM
Who wouldn't want Spurrier besides the Red Skins
4:03 PM
And the Redskins would want him if their idiot owner hadnt tried to run the team from the get go. What you saw last year was the only person in DC that Dan Snyder could not get his way with. Joe Gibbs is worshiped in that town and he wouldnt put up with the crap that Snyder did.
Spurrier is better suited for the college game anyway. But ask 10 people who they would rather have coaching their team (not Carolina or Clemson fans) and I would say 80% would say Spurrier.
4:11 PM
Ok Kirk...Of course 80% of fans would choose Steve Spurrier. Hell, I am a Clemson fan, and I would be hard pressed not to choose Spurrier. But let me ask you this: Back in 1999, if I told you that you could have Lou Holtz or Tommy Bowden, who would you have taken? Probably Lou Holtz. What about after the 2004 season? Probably Tommy Bowden. Reputations are nice, but I think that it has been proven that a reputation does not win a football game.
I would also agree with you that Duke should not have beaten Clemson in 1989. And while Clemson did have superior athletes, Spurrier outcoached Clemson using a system that was far more sophisticated than what anyone in college football was using. While that system still is sophisticated, the gap has closed significantly because teams have had to make adjustments defensively to counter Spurrier's influence on the game.
What Spurrier did in his first year was very impressive, however I think that you are going to see that was a bit of an abhorration. Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia all have more talent than South Carolina. Even Spurrier himself has begun to question South Carolina's ability to compete in the forseeable future in the SEC. While I hate Tennessee, last year was a once in twenty years thing for them. They will be back this year. Georgia is consistenly landing top ten recruiting classes. Florida is Florida, with or without Steve Spurrier. Now, instead of basking with the wealth of talent that he had at Florida, Spurrier is having to fight for talent with Clemson. On top of that, recruiting was never one of Steve's strenghts when he was at Florida because the university, the program, and his reputation sold itself.
4:59 PM
I see your point with the Spurrier and Holtz comment but I think there is a huge difference in Spurrier and Holtz. Holtz was good for a quck fix which is what we got at South Carolina. I am not bashing Brad Scott but just as Clemson fans point to Ken Hatfield and Tommy West hurting their program Brad Scott sunk our program to new lows. Holtz was in a tough spot and we didnt win a game in 99 but I dont care who was coaching that team......we wouldnt have won a game. Lou did what he usually does which is turn a progam around in a few years and then level off and I hate to say it but lose control of the program both on and off the field.
Spurrier on the other hand is a program builder. He is not going to go after a lot of jucos just to plug holes but he will go after the good HS talent and develop them for 4 years.
And I dont think Florida is Florida with or without Spurrier. Florida was a sleeping giant but how many titles did they win before Spurrier got there? How many have they won since he left even though Zook was bringing in very good classes and Meyer has done the same. I do expect Florida to win the SEC East this year but nobody including Bear Bryant was able to do what Spurrier did at Florida from 90-01.....and nobody ever will repeat that. Florida should always have a good program but they were feared with Steve Spurrier and I dont think every SEC coach fears them like they did when SOS was in town. And so nobody puts words into my mouth.....nobody is afraid if Spurrier at South Carolina....unless your name is Jeremy Foley. If so you are probably looking for a resume.
6:08 PM
I have a question for the Clemson fans out there. I know you guys think Proctor will be good. A lot of tiger fans think he will be a better fit than Whitehurst.
What do you guys think?
I just don't see Will Proctor being an elite QB needed for a team to be a top 10 team all year. I think he is only as good or maybe a step below Mitchel whom I think is merely a product of a great system and even greater wide receiver.
6:13 PM
I think Proctor will be better than Whitehurst. He is more mobile and athletic. I am excited about the season.
6:20 PM
Proctor is a better fit for the system than Whitehurst was. He does not have to win games as quarterbacks might be expected to do during the pre-Spence days. He simply has to manage the game. I think that he is more than capable of doing that.
On another note, I think that the team chemistry is going to be much better with Proctor at quarterback than was with Whitehurst.
6:37 PM
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